Gary Sheffield And His Mouth.

The last time I addressed comments coming out of Gary Sheffield’s mouth, I wound up having to apologize and own up for it, because what he was guilty of was not being the most articulate with what his “Latin players are easier to control” bit in GQ Magazine — and I was leaning on the fence that he was just outright stupid. So, with that in mind, I’m gonna catch the Real Sports interview first on HBO before I make a final decision, but there are things that bother me about the initial reports out about the interview and the pontifications already populating newspapers and websites about it; these fail to separate “prejudice” and “racism.” Sheffield isn’t accusing Joe Torre of racism; he’s accusing him of involuntary, unconscious prejudice. There’s a difference, and it would serve the discussion better to acknowledge this first. Drew Sharp and Kevin Blackistone both tried to get this in the discussion on Jim Rome is Burning and Around the Horn, but it didn’t do them a fat lot of good.

I’ll grant that Sheff sounds a bit naive or willingly stupid if he believes the only types of steroids are the ones you have to inject. As for his accusations against Torre, I don’t think the world will ever know, and most of us are always inclined to give Torre the benefit of the doubt. I just wish he’d be a bit more delicate about Jeter’s mixed-race heritage:

In the visiting clubhouse at Safeco Field on Friday, Sheffield stood behind what he said — that Torre is not a racist — but also tried to clarify some statements. In the piece, when it was mentioned that the Yankees’ most prominent player — Derek Jeter — is black, Sheffield quickly clarified that Jeter is “black and white.”

When asked the significance of that, Sheffield said, “It’s really no significance. It’s just you ain’t all the way black.”

Yes, that was kind of a leading response by Andrea Kremer by bringing up Jeter to Sheffield; in fact, it’s actually kind of designed to provoke a response like that. Media and American culture still kind of operates on the “one drop” rule when it comes to black blood; we’re still getting used to miscegenation and aren’t quite there to acknowledging the cultural differences that come with it. This is the only thing I’ll condemn Sheffield for until I watch the show — it’s one thing to say that he and Jeter have had different life experiences, and have been treated differently. But to say Jeter isn’t all the way black in a country where a majority of people do see a man of color seems reductive, and conducive only to more arguments of artificial ideas of what black authenticity is.

I suppose this is personal, because I’m fairly tired of going through the motions about authenticity, whether you “belong” to one race or another, or what have you — that was a fun component of middle school through college that I really could have done without. So, any time I see something close to it in print, it makes me kind of hostile.  Maybe I’m overreacting to the comment, but I can only wish he’d handled that part better — he was right to note that Jeter’s experience is vastly different than his own, but it kind of sucked to see him fall back on that old trope about being more black.

Again, I find myself, if not agreeing with Sheffield, at least compelled by what he has to say. I just keep waiting for him to find a way to say it that doesn’t require additional clarification after the fact.

19 Responses

  1. I was reading yesterday’s USA Today and Stephen A. Smith said it best…people who bring up the race card need to substantiate it with facts or do not bring it up at all because you could ruin a person’s reputation by throwing around the race card

  2. Good post. My take is similar. I responded to the Buster Olney article and Michael Kay’s interpretation in Dan Patrick’s slot. ESPN analysts are the gift that keeps on giving. :) I too am waiting to hear the comments in their entirety.

  3. “I was reading yesterday’s USA Today and Stephen A. Smith said it best…”

    classic line.

  4. excellent post Signal. very good. i can sympathize with your feelings about middle school through college (and even still today). as someone who’s parents are both african american, yet a bit light-skinned, i’ve come to accept that people in the world are just raised to have this desire to KNOW what you are, so they can classify you and then apply their respective assumptions about you, whether they truly realize that’s what is going on or not.

    and finally… the phrases “not black enough” and “acting like a white person” infuriate me to no end, because of the broad (and negative) picture it paints of people with similar melanin levels as myself… and yes, black people are as guilty of this as anyone.

    sorry to ramble… back to your regularly scheduled blogging.

  5. Good post, signal.

    Although I said it differently in my own post on this…I share the view on subconscious prejudice v. racism.

  6. I agree, there is a difference between prejudice and racism. Everyone prejudges. All the time.

  7. Jeter: I am so all the way black! Check this shit out!

    /does the roger rabbit

    From here

  8. Ugh. You kids are so sensitive and thoughtful these days. Or so I think sometimes, that is, until the telly accidentally lands on MTV.

  9. Great post S2N. My take was very similar. I’m especially impressed by how you noted the difference between unconscious prejudice and racism.

  10. I found myself “putting on the brakes” as far as rushing to condemn Sheffield for his recent alleged comments after reading your post. That having been said, I consider him such an idiot I don’t really care what he did or did not say in this latest matter. Still, a post with a lot of thought put into it and a lot for the reader to consider.

  11. Stiles – Sheffield did bring up anecdotal evidence, but at this point, it’s not strong enough to really convict anyone of anything in public opinion.

    Matt – that was a good Dugout, I gotta say.

    LTMA, SML, NOIS, J-No – thanks, and everyone I’m hearing today and reading in the papers is still kind of missing that difference.

    Quiet Cardinal – HATED that. Absolutely did.

    Dismunk – we’re insightful if you keep us away from being on the teevee, I think, but then again, the people trying to get on said box aren’t exactly the most introspective, are they?

  12. By referring to Jeter in that manner, Sheffield did the very thing he was griping about. To paraphrase John Seibel of ESPN radio, if I want to listen to socio-political comments, the last person I’m going to pay attention to is Gary Sheffield.

    Shef is just perturbed that he became Yankee seconds. It’s too bad he can’t appreciate the great situation he’s in right now. I suppose he’d rather be praying for a playoff spot in New York rather than actually winning gamese in Detroit.

  13. Nice post.

    I am not really sure what Sheff said that was wrong. Jeter, by definition, is not all the way black. Sheff was answering the question that was raised about the Yankees most prominent player being black. In his eyes if someone is subconsiously prejudiced against a race it would be easier to accept someone who looks more like you. I think he has a point.

    I am a white guy who can’t really relate to most of the stuff Sheff says. But I do think people are afraid to talk about race…I find it funny that people in the media will say things like the last person I am going to listen to about socio-political comments is Gary Sheffield, but for some reason he is the first person they ask to comment about it.

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  15. Sheffield talks just for the exercise. I enjoyed this piece though. If you’re interested in a similiar baseball blog, check this one out. It just posted a story on A-Rod coming to Boston.

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  16. A co-worker and I were discussing this today. I really do not think DJeter has been really accepted in the African-American community at least outside of NYC. You won’t see news about him covered in Ebony, Jet, BET or hear him discussed at a black barbershop West of Pennsylvania. Of course alot of that has to do with the face blacks are not the biggest baseball fans in the world but even with as much as Tiger has done to avoid being classified as one thing or the other, blacks seem to identify with Tiger even more than DJeter.

  17. Personally, I think what Torre was guilty of was not a “subconscious prejudice” but a prejudice towards his own guys. Notice that Bernie Williams never had a problem with him. Nor did anyone else of any background. What Torre has a problem with and the people that get treated differently are loud mouth self promoters.

    For Sheffield to fall back on this argument is sad. IT’s always someone else’s fault in his world because god knows, it could never just be that he’s an asshole.

  18. Check out DiversityInc.com’s article:

    Gary Sheffield, Ward Connerly and the ‘Struggle’: What You Told
    the White Guy About ‘Not Getting It’

    http://www.diversityinc.com/public/2155.cfm

    As one DiversityInc reader commented, “we will never outgrow discrimination, but we should learn to understand and accept the philosophies and opinions of those who don’t exactly think, act or react as we do.”

  19. I know I am a year too late….but bottom line is Sheffeild is a di**. Always has been, always will be. He has been a cancer on every ball club and will always use the race card when things are not going his way. It is sad to see multi-million dollar athletes making racism an issue when living in the lap of luxury. Drama queens….

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